Comments for I'll have the irascible milquetoast http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com with a side of snide. Oh, and another thing... Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:11:47 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on What Happened to Werner Erhart and est? by Jacqueline LaCroix http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/what-happened-to-werner-erhart-and-est/#comment-55 Jacqueline LaCroix Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:11:47 +0000 http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/?p=36#comment-55 Indeed...there is just THIS moment in time! However...even after experiencing the Forum almost twenty odd Years ago...It seems rather strange that suddenly I am longing For Werner's Innate Wisdom and Refreshing Spin on Life at this Particular juncture in time...Hmmm...And furthermore, I find It quite interesting that many others are suddenly "remembering" The "EST" and "FORUM" time frames at THIS moment! Perhaps a code unleashed...to re-leash... To bring us all together to Dance in this most Crucial period In time...A Spiritual Awakening So Powerful...that it's tapping Into the memories of "the code"... Especially...when "WE ARE ALL NEEDED"...at THIS moment in time!!! Indeed…there is just THIS moment in time!

However…even after experiencing the Forum almost twenty odd

Years ago…It seems rather strange that suddenly I am longing

For Werner’s Innate Wisdom and Refreshing Spin on Life at this

Particular juncture in time…Hmmm…And furthermore, I find

It quite interesting that many others are suddenly “remembering”

The “EST” and “FORUM” time frames at THIS moment!

Perhaps a code unleashed…to re-leash…

To bring us all together to Dance in this most Crucial period

In time…A Spiritual Awakening So Powerful…that it’s tapping

Into the memories of “the code”… Especially…when “WE ARE

ALL NEEDED”…at THIS moment in time!!!

]]> Comment on What Happened to Werner Erhart and est? by Meg Marsden http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/what-happened-to-werner-erhart-and-est/#comment-54 Meg Marsden Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:56:51 +0000 http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/?p=36#comment-54 Hi: Thanks for defending the EST experience, and also Werner. (It seems folks just love to put down someone who makes a good deal of money with something worthwhile. I guess they never heard of the catholic church, or the Mormons!) It was invaluable to me at the time I took it (1979), and was the beginning of this Episcopalian born person's understanding of what I call things spiritual. The EST training prepared me for understanding Unity principals, and the way the world works, and I am not sure I would still inhabit the earth were it not for those events. I do know that there is a new 'filter' through which information now passes on it's way through my coretex! EST was a thrilling, funny, boring, bladder testing, immensely interesting speed boat ride to who I am now. Thanks Werner for the experience. Hi:
Thanks for defending the EST experience, and also Werner. (It seems folks just love to put down someone who makes a good deal of money with something worthwhile. I guess they never heard of the catholic church, or the Mormons!) It was invaluable to me at the time I took it (1979), and was the beginning of this Episcopalian born person’s understanding of what I call things spiritual. The EST training prepared me for understanding Unity principals, and the way the world works, and I am not sure I would still inhabit the earth were it not for those events. I do know that there is a new ‘filter’ through which information now passes on it’s way through my coretex! EST was a thrilling, funny, boring, bladder testing, immensely interesting speed boat ride to who I am now. Thanks Werner for the experience.

]]> Comment on What Happened to Werner Erhart and est? by phroedrick http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/what-happened-to-werner-erhart-and-est/#comment-53 phroedrick Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:32:17 +0000 http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/?p=36#comment-53 Well, I'm not sure of your context here regarding Landmark Education is what happened to est. My question for you, if I just take it straight, is: How does one take what is and turn it into what is not in such a way people still think it is what is? Some years after taking est I sat through the Forum (Landmark) and while there were many similarities to est, I cannot say it <em>was</em> est. Now, I don't want to start a thing with Landmark; it is what it is and as I have no intimate knowledge of it or its organization I am not qualified to comment beyond saying what I did a few words ago. In its time, est filled a particular niche in a certain way and, today, Landmark fills its niche in its own way. With respect to est's and Landmark's value, merits, and one's evaluation of either that <em>evaluation</em> is a function of perception and that is unique to each individual. Even consensus is simply a group of people who <strong>BELIEVE</strong> they feel the same from the same perceptual viewpoint. Well, I’m not sure of your context here regarding Landmark Education is what happened to est. My question for you, if I just take it straight, is: How does one take what is and turn it into what is not in such a way people still think it is what is?

Some years after taking est I sat through the Forum (Landmark) and while there were many similarities to est, I cannot say it was est. Now, I don’t want to start a thing with Landmark; it is what it is and as I have no intimate knowledge of it or its organization I am not qualified to comment beyond saying what I did a few words ago. In its time, est filled a particular niche in a certain way and, today, Landmark fills its niche in its own way. With respect to est’s and Landmark’s value, merits, and one’s evaluation of either that evaluation is a function of perception and that is unique to each individual. Even consensus is simply a group of people who BELIEVE they feel the same from the same perceptual viewpoint.

]]> Comment on What Happened to Werner Erhart and est? by s http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/what-happened-to-werner-erhart-and-est/#comment-52 s Tue, 20 Jan 2009 01:13:53 +0000 http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/?p=36#comment-52 Landmark Education is what happened with EST. Landmark Education is what happened with EST.

]]> Comment on What Happened to Werner Erhart and est? by Gwhizz http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/what-happened-to-werner-erhart-and-est/#comment-51 Gwhizz Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:10:12 +0000 http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/?p=36#comment-51 I am an EST graduate. I hadn't really thought about it or Erhart in years, but it popped up today and I was glad to find your post. Ah Ha moment. Just wanted to simply say Thank You for taking the time...I enjoyed it. I am an EST graduate. I hadn’t really thought about it or Erhart in years, but it popped up today and I was glad to find your post. Ah Ha moment.
Just wanted to simply say Thank You for taking the time…I enjoyed it.

]]> Comment on What Happened to Werner Erhart and est? by Maria http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/what-happened-to-werner-erhart-and-est/#comment-50 Maria Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:12:19 +0000 http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/?p=36#comment-50 Thank you. I found your post fascinating. I only recently heard of Erhart and have not followed the forum, nor did I go to 'est' but I know people who have done that - more than 20 years ago - and I know what a difference it makes to their lives. The 'cult' idea makes no sense, since a cult implies being bound to a guru and none of the people I know who attended those sessions, stayed with the guru. Searching for information on the web, there is so much vitriol without any apparent evidence to support wild claims. Your post here, is far more illuminating. Thank you :-) Thank you. I found your post fascinating.
I only recently heard of Erhart and have not followed the forum, nor did I go to ‘est’ but I know people who have done that – more than 20 years ago – and I know what a difference it makes to their lives.
The ‘cult’ idea makes no sense, since a cult implies being bound to a guru and none of the people I know who attended those sessions, stayed with the guru.
Searching for information on the web, there is so much vitriol without any apparent evidence to support wild claims.
Your post here, is far more illuminating.
Thank you :-)

]]> Comment on The problem is… by Haven http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/the-problem-is/#comment-47 Haven Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:01:07 +0000 http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/?p=45#comment-47 Somehow i missed the point. Probably lost in translation :) Anyway ... nice blog to visit. cheers, Haven! Somehow i missed the point. Probably lost in translation :) Anyway … nice blog to visit.

cheers, Haven!

]]> Comment on Nobody says it better… by Barack Obama » Nobody says it better… http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/nobody-says-it-better/#comment-42 Barack Obama » Nobody says it better… Sun, 25 May 2008 00:06:30 +0000 http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/?p=50#comment-42 [...] Out on a Lim wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptIf Barack Obama had given a speech on bowling, it might well have been brilliant and inspiring…. [...] [...] Out on a Lim wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptIf Barack Obama had given a speech on bowling, it might well have been brilliant and inspiring…. [...]

]]> Comment on The problem is… by Ritter http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/the-problem-is/#comment-41 Ritter Tue, 20 May 2008 17:32:11 +0000 http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/?p=45#comment-41 Religion and politics make dangerous bedfellows. There's no shortage of people willing to go to great lengths to force other people to conform to their beliefs. Collectivism, whether christian or muslim or fascist or socialist, is anathema to individual liberty. Individuals have rights; groups do not, states do not. Some religions can coexist with individual liberty better than others. Islam is one that cannot. An integral component of individual liberty is the right to property. If I own something, a book let's say, I can do anything with it or to it that does not injure anyone else. And I don't mean hurt feelings. So if someone buys a koran, a bible or a Steven King novel, that someone can shoot it, pulverize it, run over it, flush it, burn it, piss on it, shit on it and you know what? It's none of your damn business. Feel free, however, to be as offended as you'd like. Just don't go running to the gub mint to enlist the power of the state to control someone else's property. Sun Tzu: <em>If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him.</em> Religion and politics make dangerous bedfellows. There’s no shortage of people willing to go to great lengths to force other people to conform to their beliefs. Collectivism, whether christian or muslim or fascist or socialist, is anathema to individual liberty. Individuals have rights; groups do not, states do not. Some religions can coexist with individual liberty better than others. Islam is one that cannot.

An integral component of individual liberty is the right to property. If I own something, a book let’s say, I can do anything with it or to it that does not injure anyone else. And I don’t mean hurt feelings. So if someone buys a koran, a bible or a Steven King novel, that someone can shoot it, pulverize it, run over it, flush it, burn it, piss on it, shit on it and you know what? It’s none of your damn business. Feel free, however, to be as offended as you’d like. Just don’t go running to the gub mint to enlist the power of the state to control someone else’s property.

Sun Tzu: If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him.

]]> Comment on The problem is… by phroedrick http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/the-problem-is/#comment-40 phroedrick Tue, 20 May 2008 17:04:31 +0000 http://irasciblemilquetoast.wordpress.com/?p=45#comment-40 Oh, I forgot to mention that every Israeli leader and Prime Minister up to the recent past was once a bomb throwing terrorist. I must ask, at what point does a terrorist become a hero? The unfortunate answer is when the U.S. decides to support their cause. At that moment, they become heroes and legitimate leaders of a fledging government. Unfortunately for many innocent bystanders these early Israeli heroes, killed many innocents. Let us not forget that factoid. Victims of a tragedy such as the Holocaust remain victims as long as they are willing to hold onto the experience in the present moment. No, I am not suggesting the world forget; I am suggesting that the position of everlasting victim is a mindset. Let's not forget to give credit to the legacy of Pat Robertson, and the Christian whatever wing, who wished to control the fabric of every American's daily life, right down to a woman's right to choose. You can grab an airline sickness bag and vomit at will. And, yes, I believe the right to choose is before conception. Once you're in it don't chicken shit out--kids are a gift and you don't toss their fetal carcasses in a dumpster. There is an inherent right to life and the right to choose is not contradictory. The route taken is entirely up to the woman carrying the child. I have no desire to interfere with insanity, poor choices, uninformed actions, or anything else, and I do not support these right to lifers harassing women going into birth control clinics with nonsense like they will go to hell and so on. Show me hell, and I'll show you a shit load of misguided 'Christians.' As almost an after thought, how important does a person have to be in order to be assassinated rather than just simply murdered? Oh, I forgot to mention that every Israeli leader and Prime Minister up to the recent past was once a bomb throwing terrorist. I must ask, at what point does a terrorist become a hero? The unfortunate answer is when the U.S. decides to support their cause. At that moment, they become heroes and legitimate leaders of a fledging government. Unfortunately for many innocent bystanders these early Israeli heroes, killed many innocents. Let us not forget that factoid. Victims of a tragedy such as the Holocaust remain victims as long as they are willing to hold onto the experience in the present moment. No, I am not suggesting the world forget; I am suggesting that the position of everlasting victim is a mindset.

Let’s not forget to give credit to the legacy of Pat Robertson, and the Christian whatever wing, who wished to control the fabric of every American’s daily life, right down to a woman’s right to choose. You can grab an airline sickness bag and vomit at will. And, yes, I believe the right to choose is before conception. Once you’re in it don’t chicken shit out–kids are a gift and you don’t toss their fetal carcasses in a dumpster. There is an inherent right to life and the right to choose is not contradictory. The route taken is entirely up to the woman carrying the child. I have no desire to interfere with insanity, poor choices, uninformed actions, or anything else, and I do not support these right to lifers harassing women going into birth control clinics with nonsense like they will go to hell and so on. Show me hell, and I’ll show you a shit load of misguided ‘Christians.’

As almost an after thought, how important does a person have to be in order to be assassinated rather than just simply murdered?

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